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  • #2189
    billratiobillratio
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    What do you do when you get a swimmer who has been doing traditional training and is unable to hit paces that will get her best times? I have a girl right now who is swimming 2 seconds slower than she needs to per 50 and still can only complete 8×50 regularly without needing to rest.

    At the meet this weekend she was 6 seconds off her in season time from high school. 8 seconds away from her taper time. Why would traditional training have her swimming so much faster? How can I get her improving?

    I think she is capable of swimming faster on her 50s in practice but I don’t know how to get her there. You can only tell them to pick up the pace so many times…

    "Most people have the will to win. Few have the will to prepare to win."

    #2190
    Avatardrpaul
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    How long has she been training with you?

    Just wondering if her body has had that adaptation time that it takes

    #2191
    billratiobillratio
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    About 8 weeks. How long do you think it should take?

    "Most people have the will to win. Few have the will to prepare to win."

    #2196
    Avataroldschoolc
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    Billratio,
    Your question of “how long…” most physiologists would say “8 to 10 weeks” for aerobic capacity and that adaptation can take place to a stimulus in 8 to 10 days, so plenty of time.

    I’ll take a SWAG and say it’s not physical.

    My question is “why did she move/come to your program?”

    Oldschool

    "Only in America. Dream in red, white and blue"

    #2197
    billratiobillratio
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    She has always been with our club but just came back from high school season. I only have one girl on my club team who was on the high school team I coached during girls season. So we are going through all the same doubts and disbelief over again. It’s just frustrating trying to get everyone to buy in. Once you think they finally are, one bad meet sets you back to the start psychologically.

    Can you layout what a typical week of 200 training would be for your swimmers, oldschool? Like I said before, we only have 6 hours a week to practice so it’s tough to train for every event.

    "Most people have the will to win. Few have the will to prepare to win."

    #2206
    Avataroldschoolc
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    Billratio,
    Here is my attached training cycle for week 1 of a 4 week cycle.

    Pri = primary emphasis for first set or “improvement set” looking to increase numbers over last time offered.
    Sec = secondary emphasis maybe be just maintenance “just make numbers from last time offered.

    200 = primary stroke distance
    100 = secondary stroke

    Short = is distance of repeat, could be 25s or 50s
    Long = again distance of repeat, could be 50s, 75s or we also use 100s

    With regards to short – long. Usually my first two sets pertain to the primary stroke. So first set is short repeats 25s or 50s and the second set for primary would be 50s, 75s or even 100s.

    A Monday would look like this:

    Pri: is free, 200 distance and short repeats. So first set might be n x 50s on 1:30/2:00 or n x 25 on :30/:40 but looking for improvement in numbers over last time. My second set could be n x 100s, not really looking for an improvement in numbers but at least maintain over last time offered. Third set is secondary stroke with 100 emphasis and short, so it might be n x 25s on :40/1:00.

    With limited amount of time you can drop the third set or offer a limited number of say 25s. Look at the group average made and pick a number maybe its 12 so 12 x 25 and that’s enough to make a shift.

    I attached a workout with an all free emphasis that we did Monday and results.

    Oldschool

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    #2213
    billratiobillratio
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    Thank you very much for sharing!

    "Most people have the will to win. Few have the will to prepare to win."

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