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How many 100s would they need to make for you to be confident in that correlation? I don’t think my girls will be making 15+ at race pace anytime soon. We haven’t really gone after 100s very hard though. I’ll start working them in more. The only 100s we’ve done recently are on set where we do something like 4×100 into 8×75 into 16×50. I know that isn’t exactly USRPT but they swim them race pace and sit out of they miss.
"Most people have the will to win. Few have the will to prepare to win."
That is so helpful! Thank you.
I have a couple of follow up questions. For 25s on 2 minutes would you do a certain number or just go until she starts slowing down? How much rest would you recommend for 12.5s? Also, the same question I had for the 100… is it possible to train to often for the 50? My coaches only had me do sprinting a couple days a week but they also had me train 6,000+ yards a day so I know their beliefs might be off.
Would you be willing to tell me the 50 times of some of the fastest women you’ve worked with? It would give my swimmer more confidence knowing someone had trained really fast sprinters with this type of training.
Last question, I’m nervous that getting only 1,000ish yards of fast swimming a day will be enough. Should I keep the 200 training in for her just to get a little more yards? There is a 0% chance she’ll be swimming the 200 at any of our important meets. I haven’t done a full season of USRPT yet and I’m not 100% confident. I’m confident that it would work with the right coach but I’m not 100% confident in my abilities to make it work.
"Most people have the will to win. Few have the will to prepare to win."
Makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.
"Most people have the will to win. Few have the will to prepare to win."
So your 3 days out reduction for someone doing 24×50 at 200 pace would be to do 18×50 3 days away from the meet, 12×50 2 days from the meet and then just meet warm up the day before? Do you cut down the recovery activities? Do you do recovery activities?
Have you ever had a rested meet that had a lower improvement than 46.6%?
"Most people have the will to win. Few have the will to prepare to win."
I thought I’d update with their results. One of them went 5:40.2 which is her best in season time ever. For being only five weeks into the season I’m happy with it. The other one was legitimately sick all week and went 5:47.0. That was still almost 2 seconds faster than her best this season but considering she swims almost the exact same pace in practice I’m expecting 5:40 at the next meet when she is healthy.
So here is my question for oldschool based on those turn numbers. Does that mean if they are holding 33s in practice I should only expect 5:40 at a meet because the 1 second turns would make those 34s?
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Kevin, with those first meets that you have after 8 weeks, do you typically see results that early? I’m nervous about doing this is a high school season that is only 12-13 weeks long.
"Most people have the will to win. Few have the will to prepare to win."
Thanks for the quick replies. They are usually circle swimming but once in a while I will break them off to swim in a lane by themselves so they both swim straight together in one lane for those sets. They are the only girls whose main focus is the 500.
It would be huge for their confidence if they could break 5:40 at the next meet. One of them is having a lot of doubts about training distance by swimming 50s and 75s.
How many yards do you think they need to be doing at 500 pace per week? I think I remember reading 3-6 times the distance they are training for each practice. So if they are hitting 2,000+ yards at race pace I should expect results? I’ve ready all the Rushall papers but that was back in March.
"Most people have the will to win. Few have the will to prepare to win."
And congrats on the 42/56. Just curious how much better that is that TT for you.
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What kind of results did you have with traditional training at your fully tapered meets?
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Thanks Aleksswim. I fear i may have introduced full USRPT too quickly to my group. We are 3 and a half weeks in so I’m not sure it’d be worth it to pull back now. Is it just too hard on the muscles that they haven’t used very much?
drpaul, another reason to do the repeats from a push is the start makes them faster. If they can get do their average 50 time from a push then when they get to the meet and get to use the blocks at the start, there will be an improvement of time. I can’t find the quote right now but Rushall talked about it. 🙂
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I can only answer number 2. I don’t think you pick a specific pace. Just divide the 200 time by 4 you’re if doing 50s. I think that’s what you were asking.
Why are you doing them off the blocks? It seems like it would be hard to keep the rest to 20 seconds if they are climbing out and doing a start each time.
"Most people have the will to win. Few have the will to prepare to win."
Yes, that’s helpful. I knew I shouldn’t be expecting results after only 3 weeks. It’s good to know it might be possible after 7.
Can you give me some idea of what some of the times your swimmers have achieved? Just to know what level they are at. Are any of them doing the 500?
"Most people have the will to win. Few have the will to prepare to win."
Thanks for the replies.
Rick,
I’m sure you have posted it elsewhere but are you doing 100% USRPT? How many yards are you offering per week and how many practices per week?"Most people have the will to win. Few have the will to prepare to win."
I just read this from Rushall. I guess they aren’t even completely fit yet. Still hoping results will be possible after another month.
“The first time a coach implements a race-pace training macrocycle, the length of time to the achievement of ceiling fitness normally takes more than one month and will vary between swimmers within a squad.” – Rushall – 39energy
"Most people have the will to win. Few have the will to prepare to win."
